https://www.debraprinzing.com/2020/09/02/episode-469-blending-an-artistic-practice-and-a-commercial-floral-studio-with-kat-claar-of-from-blossoms/
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7ho8Dkd1QEPPMO86ibQig3?si=8ldvswj2RISdQy4VEx3juQ